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Talon vs Rammus

How to Beat Rammus as Talon in LoLTalon is in the a tier of champions
Assassin
TankFighter

How to Beat Rammus as Talon

based on 1,401 Talon vs Rammus matchups
Win Rate
47.5 %
K/D/A
2.1
Pick Rate
1.7 %

How We Analyze LoL Champion Counters

We calculate our matchup statistics from the millions of ranked League rounds that we get from Riot Games every week. This guide on how to beat Rammus as Talon resulted from an examination of 1401 ranked matches where both champions faced each other. This particular pairing is relatively rare. Talon encounters Rammus in only 1.7% of his matches.

Talon vs Rammus Matchup Summary

Unfortunately, Talon has done a below average job of beating Rammus. On average, he wins a lowly 47.5% of the time the champions face each other in. In Talon vs Rammus matches, Talon’s side is 0.0% more probable to earn first blood, implying that he most likely will be able to get first blood versus Rammus.

Best Talon vs Rammus Counter Build

Items

Starter Items

Time Target
Long SwordRefillable Potion

Early Items

~5 Mins
Long SwordPickaxe

Core Talon Items

~22 Mins
Youmuu's GhostbladeSerylda's GrudgeProfane Hydra

Optional Items

EclipseAxiom ArcEdge of NightHubris

Summoner Spells

summonerflash summoner spell D
summonerdot summoner spell F

Skill Order

First skill for Talon to level upw
>
Second ability for Talon to level upq
>
Last skill for Talon to max oute

Runes

PrecisionConquerorTriumphLegend: TenacityLast Stand
InspirationMagical FootwearMinion Dematerializer
Adaptive ForceAdaptive ForceMagic Resist
Talon's passive ability p
Talon's q ability q
Talon's w ability w
Talon's e ability e
Talon's ultimate ability r
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W
2
Q
3
W
4
E
5
W
6
R
7
W
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Q
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Guide to Countering Rammus as Talon

Tips for Playing as Talon against Rammus

Shadow Assault is a powerful escape tool, but can also be offensively used to assault a group.

You can use Assassin's Path to get behind the enemy and set up for Noxian Diplomacy's melee attack.

Remember to pick your target before the fight. Focusing all of Talon's abilities on one target can be very rewarding, but splitting them up between many may leave you helpless.

Advice to Win Against Rammus

Rammus often stacks high Armor, leaving him especially vulnerable to caster damage while not in Defensive Ball Curl.

Pay particular attention to when his Defensive Ball Curl is off. Rammus has much lower stats than a normal tank when he's out of the stance.

Talon vs Rammus Counter Stats

Talon Image
Win Rate
47.5 %
VS
Win Rate
52.5 %
Rammus Image
8.5
< Kills >
4.4
7.1
< Deaths >
5.5
6.4
< Assists >
11.6
1.94
< Killing Sprees >
1.01
142
< Minions Killed >
37
0.35
< Dragons Killed >
1.19
0.36
< Inhibitors >
0.39
21,436
< Physical Damage >
2,634
81
< Magic Damage >
12,521
1,302
< True Damage >
805
22,819
< Damage Dealt >
15,961
28,017
< Damage Taken >
31,584
12,701
< Gold Earned >
10,886
1.45
< Towers >
1.2
0.07
< Baron Takedowns >
0.32
6,021
< Total Healing >
12,450
14,596
< Experience >
13,347
18
< Vision Score >
21
7
< Wards Placed >
7
189
< Time Dealing CC >
587

How to Counter Rammus with Talon in LoL

The stat comparisons provided here show several valuable Talon versus Rammus counter stats that may help us explain the distinctions between the two. As an example, Talon’s KDA ratio ([kills + assists] / deaths) of NaN is greater than Rammus’s ratio of NaN, showing that Talon may be more central to his team's team fighting effectiveness than Rammus. This observation is in large part caused by the difference in kills.

Talon usually has a much larger longest killing spree than his opponent does. Typically, he receives less damage than Rammus. This often reflects different amounts of tankyness, yet it can also indicate that the champion with increased health has less mobility and thus is unable to flee from further damage when engaged or poked.

Differences between Talon and Rammus

Damage Types Compared

Talon
Rammus
Physical Damage
Magic Damage
True Damage

Champion Playstyles Compared

Talon
Rammus

Who is Better, Talon or Rammus?

Both League champs are great champions. Both have their pros and cons. In the game's current meta, Talon usually loses when taking on Rammus, with a 47.5% win rate. Therefore, Talon makes a poor counter to Rammus.

While Talon does have a lower winrate than Rammus, when they face off with one another, Talon also has a greater level of difficulty that makes him a more complex champ to learn. You should be very concerned when picking Talon into Rammusas his relative depth means you may not be able to unleash his full potential without a lot of practice beforehand.

Additionally, Talon has almost no amount of utility and CC, a similar amount to Rammus. This often makes her just as valuable during teamfights, especially when facing champions with a lot of burst damage.

While there isn't one best champion for every situation in League of Legends, in Talon vs Rammus matchups, Rammus is the better champion with a lower win rate, more champion depth, and a similar amount of utility to help out your allies during late stage team fights.

Talon is a terribly counter to Rammus. You will do well by focussing your strategy on keeping up your CS and destroying objectives. If you can do that, you should hold your own as Talon against Rammus.

Additional Information for Talon Players

How We Calculated Our Talon vs Rammus Build and Stats

For this guide on countering Rammus as Talon, we analyzed 1,401 matchups from recent LoL games. We use rigorous data cleaning and processing methods to ensure that our counter stats are of the highest quality. You can rest assured that the recommended build to counter Rammus as Talon comes from real data and is not the fabrication of some random LoL player, as some other sites provide. You can use the filters at the top of the page to view the most relevant stats and items to your rank.

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Further Insights to Win this Matchup

To truly master Talon to counter Rammus during both the laning and mid / late game phases of League of Legends, you should continue reading to pick up a few extra tips and tricks for this matchup. If you mind the build and suggestions displayed above, you should grow your win rate significantly and be that much closer to League of Legends pro players.

Talon typically racks up much more CS relative to Rammus. Champions who on average don't get many minion kills typically don't have to have much CS to be effective, such as support champions. They are able to scale properly off of their skills, stats, and first items alone. Yet, champions with large amounts of CS, such as hyper-carries, often require a lot of items to be effective. In either situation, try to do better than the values shown here to do well.

The most important items to prioritize in your Talon versus Rammus build include Youmuu's Ghostblade, Serylda's Grudge, and Profane Hydra. When Talon bought at least these three items in his build, he did a lot better when fighting Rammus than with most other typical counter builds. In fact, Talon had an average winrate of 47.5% battling Rammus with this build.

To have the highest probability of defeating Rammus as Talon, Talon players should equip the Conqueror, Triumph, Legend: Tenacity, Last Stand, Magical Footwear, and Minion Dematerializer runes from the Precision and Inspiration rune sets. Of all the rune sets we have analyed for Talon vs Rammus matchups, this composite of runes resulted in the highest win rate. Moreover, these runes gave a 47.5% winrate overall.

By default, tips, statistics, and builds on how to beat Rammus as Talon are presented for all ranked divisions combined. If you would like to scope the statistics and builds to a distinct skill level, you may use the selection menu located at the top of this page.