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How to Win Talon vs Gwen Counter MatchupTalon is in the a tier of champions

Talon vs Gwen

How to Beat Gwen as Talon in LoLTalon is in the b tier of champions
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How to Beat Gwen as Talon

based on 1,677 Talon vs Gwen matchups
Win Rate
52.1 %
K/D/A
2.3
Pick Rate
2.1 %

How We Analyze LoL Champion Counters

At MOBA Champion, we evaluate millions of ranked LoL rounds each and every week. Within our data, Talon faced off against Gwen 1677 times. Having so many games with Talon versus Gwen gives us faith in our ability to produce enlightening data and a supported build to obliterate your opponent. This matchup is somewhat rare. Talon encounters Gwen in only 2.1% of his matches.

Talon vs Gwen Matchup Summary

Talon has done a good job of countering Gwen. Normally, he wins a fantastic 52.1% of games the champions fight one another in. In Talon versus Gwen games, Talon’s team is 0.1% more expected to earn first blood. This indicates that he most likely will be able to get first blood versus Gwen.

Best Talon vs Gwen Counter Build

Items

Starter Items

Time Target
Long SwordRefillable Potion

Early Items

~5 Mins
Long SwordPickaxe

Core Talon Items

~22 Mins
Black CleaverSundered SkyEclipse

Optional Items

Axiom ArcOpportunityVoltaic CycloswordSerylda's Grudge

Summoner Spells

summonerflash summoner spell D
summonerdot summoner spell F

Skill Order

First skill for Talon to level upw
>
Second ability for Talon to level upq
>
Last skill for Talon to max oute

Runes

InspirationFirst StrikeMagical FootwearMinion DematerializerCosmic Insight
DominationSudden ImpactTreasure Hunter
Adaptive ForceAdaptive ForceArmor
Talon's passive ability p
Talon's q ability q
Talon's w ability w
Talon's e ability e
Talon's ultimate ability r
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W
2
Q
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E
4
W
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W
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R
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Guide to Countering Gwen as Talon

Tips for Playing as Talon against Gwen

Shadow Assault is a powerful escape tool, but can also be offensively used to assault a group.

You can use Assassin's Path to get behind the enemy and set up for Noxian Diplomacy's melee attack.

Remember to pick your target before the fight. Focusing all of Talon's abilities on one target can be very rewarding, but splitting them up between many may leave you helpless.

Advice to Win Against Gwen

Gwen must hit something to recast her Ultimate, try to evade her between casts.

Gwen needs to attack a few times to set up her damage, so try to get the jump on her.

Gwen's Hallowed Mist shroud will only follow her once, after that it will dissipate when she leaves.

Talon vs Gwen Counter Stats

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Win Rate
52.1 %
VS
Win Rate
47.9 %
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8.9
< Kills >
6.1
6.6
< Deaths >
6.4
6.3
< Assists >
4.7
2.03
< Killing Sprees >
1.39
138
< Minions Killed >
164
0.44
< Dragons Killed >
0.26
0.34
< Inhibitors >
0.57
21,905
< Physical Damage >
3,119
78
< Magic Damage >
15,836
1,206
< True Damage >
3,843
23,190
< Damage Dealt >
22,800
27,317
< Damage Taken >
30,823
12,759
< Gold Earned >
12,230
1.51
< Towers >
2.71
0.1
< Baron Takedowns >
0.09
6,425
< Total Healing >
7,883
14,734
< Experience >
15,121
18
< Vision Score >
17
6
< Wards Placed >
8
186
< Time Dealing CC >
154

How to Counter Gwen with Talon in LoL

The stats shown here highlight several significant Talon versus Gwen matchup stats that can help you appreciate the differences and similarities between the two. For instance, Talon’s KDA ratio ([kills + assists] / deaths) of NaN is greater than Gwen’s ratio of NaN, highlighting that Talon may be more central to his team's team fighting potential than Gwen..

Talon usually has a slightly larger longest kill spree than his enemy does. Commonly, he takes less damage than Gwen. This often reflects different amounts of tankyness; however, it can also show that the one champion has less mobility and thus is not able to flee from further harm when poked or engaged.

Differences between Talon and Gwen

Damage Types Compared

Talon
Gwen
Physical Damage
Magic Damage
True Damage

Champion Playstyles Compared

Talon
Gwen

Who is Better, Talon or Gwen?

Both League champions are great champions. Both champs have their pros and cons. In League's current meta, Talon usually wins when trying to fight Gwen, with a 52.1% win rate. Thus, Talon makes a good counter for Gwen.

While Talon does have a higher winrate than Gwen, when they face off with one another, Talon also has a greater level of difficulty that makes him a more time consuming champion to pick up and master. You should be be fine when picking Talon into Gwenas his relative depth means that you may not be able to unleash his full potential without a significant amount of practice beforehand.

Moreover, Talon has almost no amount of CC and other utility, a similar amount to Gwen. This often makes her just as valuable during teamfights, especially when fighting champions with a ton of burst damage.

While there isn't one best champion in League of Legends, in Talon vs Gwen matchups, Talon is the better champion with a noticably higher win rate, more champion depth, and a similar amount of utility to help out your allies during teamfights.

Talon is a good counter for Gwen. You will do well by focussing your strategy on maximizing your gold and cs and destroying objectives. If you are able to do that, you should be able to stand on your own as Talon against Gwen.

Additional Information for Talon Players

How We Calculated Our Talon vs Gwen Build and Stats

For this guide on countering Gwen as Talon, we analyzed 1,677 matchups from recent LoL games. We use rigorous data cleaning and processing methods to ensure that our counter stats are of the highest quality. You can rest assured that the recommended build to counter Gwen as Talon comes from real data and is not the fabrication of some random LoL player, as some other sites provide. You can use the filters at the top of the page to view the most relevant stats and items to your rank.

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Further Insights to Win this Matchup

If you would like to learn all of the intricacies of Talon in order to counter Gwen during both the laning and mid / late game phases of League of Legends, you should keep reading to gather a few extra tricks and insights into this matchup. If you mind the build and stats presented here, you will grow your win rate significantly and be that much closer to League of Legends pro players.

Talon most often racks up a similar amount of CS as Gwen. Champions who typically don't acquire many minion kills typically don't need much CS to be valuable teammates, such as sup champs. They are capable of scaling properly off of their skills, stats, and first items alone. Yet, champs with a lot of CS, such as hyper-carries, often have to have several high cost items to be effective. In either situation, try to surpass the values shown on this page to do well.

The ideal items to have in your Talon versus Gwen build include Black Cleaver, Sundered Sky, and Eclipse. When Talon incorporated at least these three items in his build, he performed significantly better when facing Gwen than with many other commonly used counter builds. In fact, Talon had an average win rate of 52.1% battling Gwen with this counter build.

To have the best likelihood of crushing Gwen as Talon, you should use the First Strike, Magical Footwear, Minion Dematerializer, Cosmic Insight, Sudden Impact, and Treasure Hunter runes from the Inspiration and Domination rune sets. Of all the rune sets we have analyed for Talon vs Gwen face-offs, this combination of runes resulted in the greatest win rate. In fact, these runes gave a 52.1% winrate overall.

By default, tips, stats, and builds on how to beat Gwen as Talon are shown for all skill levels combined. If you would like to narrow the stats and builds to a particular rank, you can use the selection menu located earlier on the page.